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Regulus X · Jul 12, 2009, 02:12 AM // 02:12

I also hurd that teh empathiez and teh blind, cripplez and teh standard anti-meleez win vs tihs...

Trinity Fire Angel · Jul 12, 2009, 02:24 AM // 02:24

smite is armour ignoring too....

NeHoMaR · Jul 14, 2009, 05:59 PM // 17:59

I don't remember any big problem with Defy Pain at all; excluding the part of everybody spamming the word, Noob!, everywhere.

In +3 years playing GW PvP, I think I never entered any arena with Defy Pain equipped; I will try today, first I must disable the chat, of course, and use some random nickname (and leave my guild? lol)

Lishy · Jul 14, 2009, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Do we really have to go over why rock/paper/scissors is a very bad way for a game to be balanced? I'm pretty sure we've been down this road before.

Wait, what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO?
Isn't rock, paper, scissors what rpgs are all about?!?!
Countering enemy strategies?

Even pokemon, one of the most skillful competitive rpg ever ( Anyone who disagrees should watch skillful play compared to n00bful play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye7b3bOQ6lY ) is rock, paper, scissors.

Magikarp sweeps, being a prime example, is countered by hail, sandstorm, and priority moves on enemy teams. That's due to rock, paper, scissors.

Reverend Dr · Jul 15, 2009, 06:48 AM // 06:48

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Isn't rock, paper, scissors what rpgs are all about?!?!
Countering enemy strategies?

Build a unit that counters another unit, yes. However that is something that can be adjusted after the match starts. Builds in guild wars cannot be adjusted as such rock/paper/scissors hard skill counters are extremely bad for the game.

Think on Starcraft. Many units can be hard and soft counters to other units. But if it was truly rock/paper/scissors the way buildwars is rock/paper/scissors then zerg beat terran, who beat protoss, who beat zerg, match is over as soon as it starts. That is why it is desirable to avoid rock/paper/scissors counters in Guild wars, to prevent matches from being over before any of the match has been played.

Hailey Anne · Jul 15, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

DP is not an issue no need for a nerf.
Just ignore the DP war and attack a target that actually matters.

king_trouble · Jul 15, 2009, 07:52 PM // 19:52

When you face a team with a DP warrior just take out the rest of his teammates then point and laugh. Most of the DP warriors do horrible damage and a vampiric weapon will simply outheal thier damage.

[DE] · Jul 16, 2009, 01:18 AM // 01:18

No Honor [nH] thinks Defy Pain warrior is a pretty good guy, eh. So do I.

There's nothing wrong with the current skill.

SilentVex · Jun 18, 2010, 02:15 AM // 02:15

It only took it getting abused in gvg to get it changed. Oh well, at least it happened.

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Extreme, uncounterable survivability for characters does not make for fun, balanced PvP. We've significantly weakened Defy Pain in PvP, decreasing the survivability it provides and making it vulnerable to stance-removal skills. This should remove it from builds designed solely to grief opponents and stall out matches.

Lanier · Jun 18, 2010, 02:29 AM // 02:29

is there a reason you decided to ressurect a year old thread?

Ruthless Life · Jun 18, 2010, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by Lanier

is there a reason you decided to ressurect a year old thread?

read the OP's message, now go read this: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...dates/20100617

Sirius Bsns · Jun 18, 2010, 05:21 AM // 05:21

DP wars deal as much damage as a standard warrior, but can frenzy moar and last a whole lot longer!

headlesshobbs · Jun 18, 2010, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Sirius Bsns

DP wars deal as much damage as a standard warrior, but can frenzy moar and last a whole lot longer!

heh, pvp? Not anymore!

Terrible Surgeon · Jun 18, 2010, 07:50 AM // 07:50

LMAO, funniest dumb thread i have ever seen in SS. Defy pain warriors rarely deal a ton of dmg. They are tanks with no dmg output if they bring self heals on top of defy. Defy pain warriors are shunned in pvp. If they run defy pain and no heals then they can deal some dmg, but they only have extra hp and dmg reduction, they are not hard to kill like this.
Lets be honest, how often do you see a warrior running defy pain? Not very often, so what is the cry cry all about? If you are a pver and you see defy pain in RA then go pve if it makes you cry. Defy pain is not a good elite selection for random pvp and it is not a good selection for any pvp unless it is used strategically. I wish some real pvp people would get on this thread and back me up on that. I know that the people that haunt SS mostly do play pve. They are not hardcore pvpers and logically should not have a say in how defy pain works in pvp. It would be like a pvper saying MM necro builds need nerfed bc i saw ONE and i DIDNT like IT... so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you. Defy pain is a joke in pvp...unless it is used in like gvg as a strategic tank that is accompanied by a healer.

Apok · Jun 18, 2010, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

LMAO, funniest dumb thread i have ever seen in SS. Defy pain warriors rarely deal a ton of dmg. They are tanks with no dmg output if they bring self heals on top of defy. Defy pain warriors are shunned in pvp. If they run defy pain and no heals then they can deal some dmg, but they only have extra hp and dmg reduction, they are not hard to kill like this.
Lets be honest, how often do you see a warrior running defy pain? Not very often, so what is the cry cry all about? If you are a pver and you see defy pain in RA then go pve if it makes you cry. Defy pain is not a good elite selection for random pvp and it is not a good selection for any pvp unless it is used strategically. I wish some real pvp people would get on this thread and back me up on that. I know that the people that haunt SS mostly do play pve. They are not hardcore pvpers and logically should not have a say in how defy pain works in pvp. It would be like a pvper saying MM necro builds need nerfed bc i saw ONE and i DIDNT like IT... so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you. Defy pain is a joke in pvp...unless it is used in like gvg as a strategic tank that is accompanied by a healer.

In PvP, it made you a hard target to kill even with Frenzy on you 24/7. The extra armor, damage reduction, and over 850 health while attacking 33% faster and spamming DW endlessly was a joke. It was used in practically every form of PvP (although not as popular as other Elites) and in GvG, would allow you to stay on the Lord for the whole match with only Lion's Comfort to keep you up.

So yes, this nerf was needed.

Shayne Hawke · Jun 19, 2010, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Well then, looks like that's taken care of.

Closed.